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by **jreb357** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:57 pm

It will be time to bug out when the riots start, which will be caused by the food shortages, which will be caused by the failure of the delivery system, which will be caused by the fuel shortage, which will be caused by... you get the picture.

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by **Survival Bill** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:28 am

yup we get it... and thats why the forum to keep everyone informed on current events and how to prep for the future what ever it may hold for us....

by **Hillbilly** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:42 pm

Survival Bill wrote:yup we get it... and thats why the forum to keep everyone informed on current events and how to prep for the future what ever it may hold for us....

Yep, my wife is a registered user of this site, but she doesn't get on much at all.
The main reason she joined was in case we get separated and the web is still working, she knows that we might be able to make contact within this forum.

by **jreb357** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:57 pm

The most important thing is to bug out before the roads get blocked. You've got to get out before gridlock on the highways makes escape impossible. There is a good post on this at http://survivaldisasterplan.com/bug-out-or-stay-home/.

by **Survival Bill** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:10 pm

totaly agree with you jreb357 I hope to get enough before hand info to get out of Dodge fast before the rest around here get the same idea but if not I have the plan to hoof it out of here too if need be.... thats a very good article by the way thanks....

by **OldBugger** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:08 am

Survival Bill wrote:totaly agree with you jreb357 I hope to get enough before hand info to get out of Dodge fast before the rest around here get the same idea but if not I have the plan to hoof it out of here too if need be.... thats a very good article by the way thanks....

We hope to have the foresight to know it's time to go but what triggers the bug out. What series of events or what situations would make you say, It's time to go.

For example how would one know that it's time to bug out before it's pretty much common knowledge. I don't think some little birdie is going to give me the inside scoop. By the time we know it's time to bug out so will everyone else. If BC had a tremor would it be time to bug out. One would never know that maybe a big one is going to follow, it may or may not.
Economic collapse isn't like a sudden stop. There are some good vids on Argentina's collapse, like slow motion train wreck. It may speed up and slow down but the wreck kept on happening. We're on that train right now. I think if we wait till rioting and the military is on the streets it's too late. They may lock down and bug out will be more shoot out or confiscation and bus trip time.

Maybe others here can help narrow it down, what would be a set of triggers that make you bug out in time to avoid the xmas rush.

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by **wraith** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:02 am

theyre not going to tell you if nukes are on the way and a pandemic will hit before theres time to get out. stay at home until the roads clear then leave as quick as possible after a bug has burnt itself out or the dust has settled.otherwise your a traffic hazard at best when caught in the open.

by **islander** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:36 pm

kingcomecrow wrote:really its an interesting question .. When to make a run for it ? .. when is too soon .. we can all figure out when its tooooo late, that, i think will be obvious
i will relate a little story i was told .. some may know it and if i told it already forgive me i am over 50 lol

if you were to have a pot of hot water on the stove, and were to put a live frog in there,he would do anything at all to jump out .. might be burned a bit but money is on him being outa the hot water
BUT if you put a frog in a pot of cold water and put it on the stove and ever so slowly cranked up the heat a little at a time, chances are he would slowly swim around till he was cooked .. the heat rising so slow he didnt notice,why he may have even been comfortable .. enjoying it till it was too late .
the million dollar question is .. is the water getting progressively hotter around us .. are we becoming too complacent?
food for thought really

Thank you for this. I think if I use this scenario as an in with my family they may better understand the need for prepping, for something, any thing, just prepp.

by **knightlife** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:30 am

my old man finally broke down and started gettin his beans together... very proud of him...

by **pilsner** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:11 pm

I think thats really is a good question and like the frog in a pot analogy. Really good points about hand held crank radios are great, for myself it would be when my family or those important to me would be in danger then there would be no question of course. I have to agree and would be gone before someone in a uniform tried to tell me or my family what to do. As well as media information we can receive on emergency channels, http://spaceweather.com/ is one I watch as well keeping in mind a geomagnetic storm could fry transformers that would take a year to manufacture. The best answer would be whats the most reasonable, logical and safest thing to do to put you and your family first, peronally I'm going to trust my intuition as well. keep in mind there is still no scientific evidence that anything will happen, but with prudence and disipline of mind we can survive anything. :wink:

by **Odin Gray** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:54 am

I know a few people who know a few people in high places that cannot be mentioned on forums ( 5-0 types). There are contigency plans for most SHTF situations to keep people contained within their geographical area (talking Canadian here). One of the important documents to have with you in a bug out scenario is title deeds or other proof of land ownership of "recreational property" in order to pass ppollice/milit containment roadblocks.

These types of documents are relatively easy to fabricate - at least to fool a doughnut eater at the end of his/her shift.

by **Woodchuck** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:29 pm

Some very good points. I suspect that similar restrictions are planned by authorities here in the US, and these probably will be placed at "choke points" such as at bridges and freeway access points. Although we live remotely from our BOL, we live there 4 months out of the year. As a result, we have arranged adequate preps both at the BOL and Bug-in locations. Unless there was ample and apparent warning, we would not attempt the necessary several day's travel to change locations. Travel by secondary roads is good advice in any case to avoid problems.

by **Odin Gray** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:49 pm

One of the terms of NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) is that in an "emergency" Canada is obligated to accept up to 30 million refugees from the U.S.

My son used to work for the large provincial power company and has seen plans to turn old Japanese internment camps from WW2 (non-existant now except for suitable flat earth in semi-remote areas) into "gated communities" with capacity of 50,000 plus. Rumours hold that Wallyworld and CanTire are/where bidding on exclusive commercial rights within these "gated communities". Potentially, that's 60 or more FEE-Mah camps with travel restrictions required by everyone.

Think about that Canadians, when SHTF down south and we think that we are unaffected.

by **Woodchuck** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:18 pm

Wow, I didn't realize that about the NAFTA agreement. I would imagine that there is a companion agreement to accept a similar number into the US from Mexico in an emergency situation. There are all sorts of scenarios. First of all, there has to be the available transportation to move that many people which could be lacking with an EMP attack, for example, and any EMP attack would precede nuclear war as some think. Then there is also the quarantine scenario as in the example of widespread contagious illness or in the case of migrating anarchistic mobs. Road blocks at state or provincial borders might be placed in those cases. I could see where they could move people in an outright famine scenario, but it could be downright nasty in one of those camps during a Canadian winter.

There have been rumors of FEMA camps on other survival boards, but these seem to have been quashed over time because the supposed sites didnt match up to actual usage. However, unusual recent purchases by the US govt. seem a little suspicious, for example, excessive amounts of ammunition and MRE's are reported by some. I can't cite these specifically at the moment. Nearly all of this is speculation on my part.

by **Odin Gray** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:04 am

Canadian winters, at least the ones here in British Columbia, are not that bad if the power grid stays up. In quarantine situations, it is often possible to contain contagions in cold weather if a population is immobile.

The Canadian power grid is in much better shape generally than the US grid, so the scenario exists of powerless US and all lights on in Canada.

by **Woodchuck** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:52 pm

You are fortunate in British Columbia to have milder winters. I remember winters in Northern Minnesota when I lived there years ago. Minus 30-40 F for weeks on end with deep snow. I would hate to be in any overcrowded FEMA camp for any length of time under those conditions even if kept indoors in a warm place. Definitely not a healthy place to be. Travel on foot for any distance would also be very difficult, if not impossible, for the vast majority of people.